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that kproit duce a larger economy in the long run. when we couple that with the fact both sides feel they have a mandate on taxes is there a benefit to going over the cliff and figuring out from the bottom? >> from the democratic point of view this is really simple. if you look at the economics and you look at the politics of this, there's one simple inescapable fact which is for millionaires and billionaires taxes will go up. the president ran on this. the country is with him on this. look at the economics it the only way to address the problem is to cut taxes on millionaires or billionaires. the other option for our republican friends, if they want to make the decision and tell the country that their message is they want to address this problem by cutting programs for poor people and for sick grand mothers they can do that. >> i don't know of any reasonable democrat who doesn't say there needs be work done on entitlement reform. without a doubt. you hear it from everybody. even the president agrees we have to cut spending. so it's n
that kproit duce a larger economy in the long run. when we couple that with the fact both sides feel they have a mandate on taxes is there a benefit to going over the cliff and figuring out from the bottom? >> from the democratic point of view this is really simple. if you look at the economics and you look at the politics of this, there's one simple inescapable fact which is for millionaires and billionaires taxes will go up. the president ran on this. the country is with him on this....
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now that takes aside the entire debate over whether it's a good thing for the economy. >> they have no idea. >> nobody knows for sure. >> it's a very good point. >> it's a big risk. >> and if you look at polling that says, well this would -- they would blame -- you never know if it's true. i think that is a theory in some democratic circles but to your point, andrea, i think the uncertainty creeps in why no one is saying let's let this deadline pass. >> before i let you both go, since you're two of the smartest people i know in washington, where do we stand on cabinet selections and, you know, the foreign policy team. >> we saw this joking moment, let me replay it, a news conference to push the u.n. treaty on disabilities which -- >> which is going to -- may fail. >> which is unbelievable since america has been -- >> very surprising. >> way out front since the days of bush '41 and tom harken was the big -- >> bob dole. >> and john mccain today made a plea for bob dole who is in walter reed he wants to see this great moment, a worldwide standard, it would be good for business, but as yo
now that takes aside the entire debate over whether it's a good thing for the economy. >> they have no idea. >> nobody knows for sure. >> it's a very good point. >> it's a big risk. >> and if you look at polling that says, well this would -- they would blame -- you never know if it's true. i think that is a theory in some democratic circles but to your point, andrea, i think the uncertainty creeps in why no one is saying let's let this deadline pass. >>...
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a lot of positive figures out there in the economy. does a second term present a great opportunity for him to follow through on wall street reform? because there are some in the community that think he was a disappointment in that regard. >> first of all about the economy, my state right after the auto rescue, my state's unemployment rate was 10.6%. now it's down to 6.9%. that's because of a lot of things. partly trade enforcement that you've talked about. and partly the auto rescue. all those things together. i think the president knows that we need to continue to make sure the regulations are strong. part of that is done by his administration and part of it is by congress. we know he will work with senator merkley, senator schumer, people who have been involved on these issues. and i'm optimistic we move forward. >> thank you for joining us tonight. >>> coming up, senator mitch mcconnell rails against reform, but john mccain doesn't agree. michigan senator debbie stabenow on filibuster reform. >>> later senator john kerry delivers an
a lot of positive figures out there in the economy. does a second term present a great opportunity for him to follow through on wall street reform? because there are some in the community that think he was a disappointment in that regard. >> first of all about the economy, my state right after the auto rescue, my state's unemployment rate was 10.6%. now it's down to 6.9%. that's because of a lot of things. partly trade enforcement that you've talked about. and partly the auto rescue. all...
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the economy would contract by half a percent in 2013. unemployment would raise to 9.1% and the economy would experience what cbo said would be judged as a recession. but after that, then things start to look pretty good. the cbo says after next year by the agency's estimates economic growth will pick up. the labor market will strengthen returning output to its potential level. 5.5% by 2018. essentially if no deal is struck, the federal government would be forced to do what it's refused to do willingly, make dramatic changes in taxes and spending. if those changes happen automatically, the cbo estimates it would have a positive long-term impact. by comparison, it says current law is kept in place, output and income would be lower down the road. so here is another way to look at it. fast forward to budget projections. keeping tax cuts in place, extending most tax provisions and putting off spending cuts would put revenue in 2020 at 4dz.2 trillion. spending at $5.3 trillion. the national debt is projected to be near $20 trillion by then. $3
the economy would contract by half a percent in 2013. unemployment would raise to 9.1% and the economy would experience what cbo said would be judged as a recession. but after that, then things start to look pretty good. the cbo says after next year by the agency's estimates economic growth will pick up. the labor market will strengthen returning output to its potential level. 5.5% by 2018. essentially if no deal is struck, the federal government would be forced to do what it's refused to do...
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it has enormous economies of scale and bargain for better rates of doctors and hospitals dictate prices so for what it provides, medicare's very cheap. it's getting expensive over time because a lot more people are going on to the program and in general the health care system, public health insurance, private health insurance, it's all very expensive and only so much right now that medicare can do about it. the problem isn't medicare, per se. not that medicare is a wasteful program but the health care system is -- and health care costs and getting in to the guts of the health care system and rather than lopping off a sum of health care. >> if we lowered health care costs overall, the cost of medicare goes down andç medica more affordable without necessarily even needing to tinker with medicare and the point of something that you were writing about. we have all the conversations about hundreds of billions and cutting from medicare to deal with the fiscal cliff right now but your point is, if we can get the cost of health care under control we don't need to cut anything right now and th
it has enormous economies of scale and bargain for better rates of doctors and hospitals dictate prices so for what it provides, medicare's very cheap. it's getting expensive over time because a lot more people are going on to the program and in general the health care system, public health insurance, private health insurance, it's all very expensive and only so much right now that medicare can do about it. the problem isn't medicare, per se. not that medicare is a wasteful program but the...
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. >> nice little economy you have there. nice little economy you have there. it would be a shame it if anything happened to it. that's not a threat. look, we have to start looking at what happens if we do, in fact, go over the so-called cliff, and what happens is, you know, one thing is we take a huge bite out of the deficit. we do it in a crude may, and there would be immediate attempts to fix it and fine-tune it and take some back. some would probably get through. if you actually want to look at it from a policy standpoint, it may not be the worst possible option to just go over the cliff and then put back in the tax cuts and the spending increases or renewals that you'd like to put back in. so, you know, worst things could happen. >> well, listen, alan simpson and i go back to his sound from the "today" show, eugene. he said anyone talking about it in that way, there's stupidity involved. he didn't say, eugene, you better not because you're my buddy, but the reality is even our first read team says this notion or all of this media hype about going off the c
. >> nice little economy you have there. nice little economy you have there. it would be a shame it if anything happened to it. that's not a threat. look, we have to start looking at what happens if we do, in fact, go over the so-called cliff, and what happens is, you know, one thing is we take a huge bite out of the deficit. we do it in a crude may, and there would be immediate attempts to fix it and fine-tune it and take some back. some would probably get through. if you actually want...
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economy added some 146,000 jobs last month. that was enough it to drive the unemployment rate down to 7.7%. joining me to talk about all of it, florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and she chairs the democratic national committee. good friday afternoon to you. >> thank you. >> john boehner said today that democrats' plan is to, quote, slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. how do you respond it to that? >> well, that's just utterly preposterous. the republicans right now in the house of representatives have a bill that would extend the middle class tax cuts right away that has passed the senate that they could take up next week when we come back. they could have already taken it up. we have a lot of time, and the republicans refuse to give certainty to the middle class. the president said he'd seen this bill right away, and then the rest of the issues we need to sort out we can hash out over the next few weeks before we reach december 31st. >> issues like entitlement reform? >> well, issues like making
economy added some 146,000 jobs last month. that was enough it to drive the unemployment rate down to 7.7%. joining me to talk about all of it, florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and she chairs the democratic national committee. good friday afternoon to you. >> thank you. >> john boehner said today that democrats' plan is to, quote, slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. how do you respond it to that? >> well, that's just utterly preposterous. the...
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you want to make sure the debt is not growing faster than the economy. that's going to take $4 trillion in savings. you need all parts on the table and constructed in a thoughtful way so that revenues are raised in ways that are good for the economy as possible, and that when we're looking at the spending in the budget, we reform our entitlement programs and reduce spending in way that's thoughtful and good for the economy. it's going to take a lot to get there, but i actually think most of the policy ideas are well known and we're now in this political negotiation where i think there's a lot of support for having them, if they're going to go through all this, have a deal big enough to fix the problem. >> what do you say, two things, first of all, it to those who say that the economy is still sputtering along, weakness in the manufacturing sector, for instance, that this isn't the right time for dramatic cuts and secondly, that the debt ceiling deal will not be averted because the republicans have said that is a nonstarter. this could be a negotiating po
you want to make sure the debt is not growing faster than the economy. that's going to take $4 trillion in savings. you need all parts on the table and constructed in a thoughtful way so that revenues are raised in ways that are good for the economy as possible, and that when we're looking at the spending in the budget, we reform our entitlement programs and reduce spending in way that's thoughtful and good for the economy. it's going to take a lot to get there, but i actually think most of the...
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somebody who has millions and millions of dollars another $100,000, they're not going to spend it into the economy and hire someone, they're going to send it to the caymans, which is what mitt romney did with his tax cuts. that's what they're going to do. the economic theory is not sound. if you give somebody with $50,000 another $1,000, they're going to spend it. >> at christmastime instead of a working stiff gets $50 for a thank you, they gave their 50 bucks to the boss. is that how -- >> by the way, a long time before the tea party existed or had a name, grover norquist, the famous anti-tax lobbyist in washington, was running around beginning to enforce ayatollah-style his edict about taxes, and he got republicans beginning back in the '80s to sign these tax pledges, which, as i say, that tax pledge has really become the core identity of the modern conservative republican party. >> okay. we got a new candidate, fred barnes, he's a smart conservative. he's not some crazy. he would like to give the tax cut at a million. here is what he wants to do. an increase in the individual income tax rate fo
somebody who has millions and millions of dollars another $100,000, they're not going to spend it into the economy and hire someone, they're going to send it to the caymans, which is what mitt romney did with his tax cuts. that's what they're going to do. the economic theory is not sound. if you give somebody with $50,000 another $1,000, they're going to spend it. >> at christmastime instead of a working stiff gets $50 for a thank you, they gave their 50 bucks to the boss. is that how --...
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he used a similar tactic back in 2011 to talk about jobs and the economy. also remember during the payroll tax cut fight, senior administration officials tell me they have gotten more responses during this my2k hash tag initiative than in the past. that stands for $2,000, which is how much taxes would increase. john boehner says this is at a standoff. all sides need to come back to the table at some point to get progress anytime soon. tamron. >> let me bring in congressman chris van hollen. thank you for your time, sir. very busy and saw you on the monday morning program as well. how would you categorize talks right now? is this a true stalemate? >> well, it's only a stalemate because speaker boehner, the republican leader, has not put his proposal on the table. as you know, the president has put his cards on the table. he presented a plan. you can find it on the internet. now it's time for speaker boehner to come forward. i should say that tomorrow in the house of representatives the democrats are going to file what's known as a discharge petition to bring
he used a similar tactic back in 2011 to talk about jobs and the economy. also remember during the payroll tax cut fight, senior administration officials tell me they have gotten more responses during this my2k hash tag initiative than in the past. that stands for $2,000, which is how much taxes would increase. john boehner says this is at a standoff. all sides need to come back to the table at some point to get progress anytime soon. tamron. >> let me bring in congressman chris van...
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the president is meeting with all different people from all different parts of the economy. the majority of americans agree with him. we've got grover norquist and john boehner and a couple of the bat crap crazies, as you like to call them, holding the rest us hostage. >> they will all vote for this. do we go off the curb or the cliff and do you have to go back when someone asks you, why did not you vote for this on december 5th when you could have done it? why did you wait into january? let the markets crash. take that uncertainty out and cause the stress to the american families. >> i had democratic senators tell me months ago that they were hearing from a couple of republican senators in the cloak room that they actually need us to go off the cliff so they can then cast a vote that is purely interpreted as a tax cut no matter how you look at i. have you heard anything like that from any whispers from the republican side in the house? >> no. no. not in there. and it is strange. i would have thought a month, there is a different reality out there. >> it set in with you. >>
the president is meeting with all different people from all different parts of the economy. the majority of americans agree with him. we've got grover norquist and john boehner and a couple of the bat crap crazies, as you like to call them, holding the rest us hostage. >> they will all vote for this. do we go off the curb or the cliff and do you have to go back when someone asks you, why did not you vote for this on december 5th when you could have done it? why did you wait into january?...
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i know it will doom our economy for years to come, but let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. fine. let's just go. just leave the negotiating tables and send us over the cliff. because you know why? at least for a few seconds, it will feel like we're flying. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is the top of the hour. look at that shot of new york city. >> beautiful. >> how beautiful. >> beautiful. glad we're here. >> good morning, everyone. >> all right. you want to be happy? take a look at washington. >> look at that shot, man. >> how can you not be happy? >> i just said, you showed a picture of gotham and the clouds, and i'm glad we're here. >> look at this incredible cast of characters. steve rattner still with us along with mike barnicle in new york. joining us on set, republican senator from oklahoma, senator tom coburn who served in the bipartisan simpson-bowles commission two years ago. and the moderator of "meet the press," david gregory, not bad. not bad at all. >> where are we, tom? where are we, buddy? >> i have no idea. >> that's not good because you make sense. >
i know it will doom our economy for years to come, but let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. fine. let's just go. just leave the negotiating tables and send us over the cliff. because you know why? at least for a few seconds, it will feel like we're flying. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is the top of the hour. look at that shot of new york city. >> beautiful. >> how beautiful. >> beautiful. glad we're here. >> good morning, everyone. >> all...